4 Sources to Understand and Even Defend the Catholic Inquisitions

Surrounded in Protestant propaganda, the three Inquisitions of the Catholic Church are among some of the most misunderstood and distorted events within Western history.

Galileo before the Holy Office, by Joseph-Nicholas Robert-Fleury - 19th Century

Listers, most believe that the “Spanish Inquisition” was a dark and embarrassing era within the Catholic Church. The rhetoric is well known: thousands were imprisoned, non-Catholics were tortured, and a “convert-or-die” travesty swept over much of Europe. However, what if the Church’s three primary inquisitions – the Medieval, the Spanish, and the Roman – were created to harbor people from injustice, to grant the accused individuals more rights and legal representation than in secular courts, or to secure the concept of “due process,” which became a precursor to English law and eventually the American Constitution? Moreover, what if history shows that the common misperception of the Church’s Inquisitions are based on vulgar protestant propaganda wars? All these questions and more are addressed and answered in a well-documented fashion by the following sources.

Our Lady, Exterminatrix of Heresies

1. The Inquisitions

Michael Voris & RealCatholicTV

Along with characteristic RealCatholicTV trappings, Michael Voris delivers a well articulated and cited explanation of the Catholic Inquisitions. The video is an excellent introduction, and the following points on this list are sources to which Voris had recourse. The lecture explains the history and context of the inquisitions, presents statistics that wipe away the Protestant propaganda froth, shows where the inquisitions aided the Western world and were they went awry, and most importantly shows how such a deeply entrenched misunderstanding of the Inquisitions was brought about by Protestant propaganda wars.

The final talking points to “walk away with” as stated by the video:

1. Local Courts:
There were many local inquisitions that tried baptized Catholics – not non-Catholics, Jews, or Muslims – for heresies against the Church.

2. Structure of Courts:
The Church introduced a legal system which provided the accused with more rights and legal representation than the secular courts; this affected the trajectory of Western law, influencing the English Common Law and eventually the American court system.

3. National Security:
Regarding the (in)famous “Spanish Inquisition,” the Spanish monarchy used it to secure their nation against the ever-aggressive Muslim invaders. Like the protestant countries of England and Germany, the monarchy saw religion as the primary stabilizing agent within the state.

The Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) was originally, the "Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition."

2. The Truth About the Spanish Inquisition

Thomas F. Madden, Crisis Magazine

The article Dr. Madden penned is frequently mentioned in Voris’ video and provides the Catholic faithful with several apologetic points that contextualize the Spanish Inquisition within history and the greater legal court system of Europe.

The Inquisition Granted Order and Legal Representation:

The medieval Inquisition began in 1184 when Pope Lucius III sent a list of heresies to Europe’s bishops and commanded them to take an active role in determining whether those accused of heresy were, in fact, guilty. Rather than relying on secular courts, local lords, or just mobs, bishops were to see to it that accused heretics in their dioceses were examined by knowledgeable churchmen using Roman laws of evidence. In other words, they were to “inquire” — thus, the term “inquisition.”

The Inquisition Gave “Due Process,” Which Was Not the Norm:

Most people accused of heresy by the medieval Inquisition were either acquitted or their sentence suspended. Those found guilty of grave error were allowed to confess their sin, do penance, and be restored to the Body of Christ. The underlying assumption of the Inquisition was that, like lost sheep, heretics had simply strayed. If, however, an inquisitor determined that a particular sheep had purposely departed out of hostility to the flock, there was nothing more that could be done. Unrepentant or obstinate heretics were excommunicated and given over to the secular authorities.

Despite popular myth, the Church did not burn heretics. It was the secular authorities that held heresy to be a capital offense. The simple fact is that the medieval Inquisition saved uncounted thousands of innocent (and even not-so-innocent) people who would otherwise have been roasted by secular lords or mob rule.

The Inquisition & Torture:

Like all courts in Europe, the Spanish Inquisition used torture. But it did so much less often than other courts. Modern researchers have discovered that the Spanish Inquisition applied torture in only 2 percent of its cases. Each instance of torture was limited to a maximum of 15 minutes. In only 1 percent of the cases was torture applied twice and never for a third time.

The “Black Legend” – The Protestant Propaganda War:

Although the Spanish defeated Protestants on the battlefield, they would lose the propaganda war. These were the years when the famous “Black Legend” of Spain was forged. Innumerable books and pamphlets poured from northern presses accusing the Spanish Empire of inhuman depravity and horrible atrocities in the New World. Opulent Spain was cast as a place of darkness, ignorance, and evil. Although modern scholars have long ago discarded the Black Legend, it still remains very much alive today. Quick: Think of a good conquistador.

The Enlightenment’s Ridicule & Propaganda:

The Spanish people loved their Inquisition. That is why it lasted for so long. It stood guard against error and heresy, protecting the faith of Spain and ensuring the favor of God. But the world was changing. In time, Spain’s empire faded away. Wealth and power shifted to the north, in particular to France and England. By the late 17th century, new ideas of religious tolerance were bubbling across the coffeehouses and salons of Europe. Inquisitions, both Catholic and Protestant, withered. The Spanish stubbornly held on to theirs, and for that, they were ridiculed. French philosophers like Voltaire saw in Spain a model of the Middle Ages: weak, barbaric, superstitious. The Spanish Inquisition, already established as a bloodthirsty tool of religious persecution, was derided by Enlightenment thinkers as a brutal weapon of intolerance and ignorance. A new, fictional Spanish Inquisition had been constructed, designed by the enemies of Spain and the Catholic Church.

Source: Crisis Magazine, “The Truth About the Spanish Inquisition.”

Our Lady, Exterminatrix of Heresies

3. “The Inquisition” – to Evangelicals

David McDonald, Catholic Bridge: Intro to the Catholic Church for Evangelicals

For those who are unfamiliar, the Catholic Bridge is an excellent resource for articles explaining – in a manner that Evangelicals can understand – Catholic dogmas and more controversial historical events within the Catholic Church . The site is loaded with well documented explanations of the faith and should be a frequent resource for those looking to better share their faith with protestants.

The Catholic Bridge article on the inquisitions is exhaustive and presents several arguments from various angles. It should be stated that McDonald’s desire to reach out to evangelicals makes him quick to admit “wrongdoings” within Catholic history, even if those act do have more complicated and controversial apologetics. In essence, he picks his battles when dealing with protestants.

**A word of caution, the article – imprudently and unnecessarily – does contain a picture of an aborted baby.

What Is an Inquisition?
An “Inquisition” is a legal inquiry. Historically there were three major Catholic Inquisitions. The Medieval Inquisition started around 1184 in response to the appearance of popular heretical movements throughout Europe, in particular Catharism and Waldensians in southern France and northern Italy. In 1478 Pope Sixtus IV reluctantly authorized the Spanish Inquisition under pressure from King Ferdinand of Aragon. Initially it investigated charges against Jewish and Muslim converts to Christianity of secretly practicing their former religions. It acted under the control of the kings of Spain. The early excesses of the Spanish Inquisition were condemned by Popes Sixtus IV, Leo X, Paul III and Paul IV. The Roman Inquisition began in 1542 when Pope Paul III established the Holy Office as the final court of appeal in trials of heresy and served as an important part of the Counter-Reformation. It was tightly controlled by strict procedural rules but was made infamous by the trial of Galileo.

Source: “The Inquisition,” Catholic Bridge

Cardinal Ratzinger led the CDF, the modern embodiment of the Roman Inquisition

4. “The Inquisition”

Catholic Encyclopedia

A straightforward and informative look at the Inquisitions, what they were formed to do, and what their actions and influence was within history.

Introduction: The Inquisition
By this term is usually meant a special ecclesiastical institution for combating or suppressing heresy. Its characteristic mark seems to be the bestowal on special judges of judicial powers in matters of faith, and this by supreme ecclesiastical authority, not temporal or for individual cases, but as a universal and permanent office. Moderns experience difficulty in understanding this institution, because they have, to no small extent, lost sight of two facts.

On the one hand they have ceased to grasp religious belief as something objective, as the gift of God, and therefore outside the realm of free private judgment; on the other they no longer see in the Church a society perfect and sovereign, based substantially on a pure and authentic Revelation, whose first most important duty must naturally be to retain unsullied this original deposit of faith. Before the religious revolution of the sixteenth century these views were still common to all Christians; that orthodoxy should be maintained at any cost seemed self-evident.

However, while the positive suppression of heresy by ecclesiastical and civil authority in Christian society is as old as the Church, the Inquisition as a distinct ecclesiastical tribunal is of much later origin. Historically it is a phase in the growth of ecclesiastical legislation, whose distinctive traits can be fully understood only by a careful study of the conditions amid which it grew up.

Source: “The Inquisition,” Catholic Encyclopedia.

Be Proud:
Listers, be proud of Holy Mother Church. Christ’s Church has been around for over two thousand years and will endure until the end of time; however, with longevity comes controversy, human errors, and lies. No doubt that our children’s children will be defending Pope Pius XII from the myth of “Hitler’s Pope,” even though history has already exonerated him and lauded his courage.

  • M

    I’m sorry, but as a Jewish person, I find a lot of this article offensive. The Inquistions was one of the darkest times in our histories. Allow me to correct/explain something to you:

    “Those found guilty of grave error were allowed to confess their sin, do penance, and be restored to the Body of Christ.”

    Jews do not recognize Jesus Christ as the Son of God, or as our saviour, or as anyone to give repentence towards. Often this was what our “grave error” was. What Jews were presented with was the choice to either forsake our faith, one we take as seriously as Catholics take theirs, or face a myriad of punishments that could include torture, humiliation or death. Frankly for you to call this “due process” is an insult.

    I respect your faith and right to practice it. I can only ask that you do the same. You have the right to maintain this site and I think it’s a great thing that people are able to be united on the Internet through faith, and learn about their faith on the Internet. You shouldn’t be ashamed to be Catholic, you should be proud and that is what this site represents. That’s awesome. But you belittle my faith by trying to downplay the significance and skew the truth of an event that was in many way’s a great injustice towards the Jewish people (and others of course, I’m just speaking on behalf of my own religion).

    Just as German’s shouldnt be ashamed of their nationality just because Hitler existed, Catholics need not be ashamed of their faith just because it has been responsible for some atrocities at a distant point in history. We live in a modern age where relationships between Catholics and Jews are quite amicable. You threaten that by publishing such a one-sided article about an event that directly involves multiple parties. I’d ask you to take this down please; it’s borderline propaganda.

    • historian

      Just a small point, M,

      1. You have overlooked the part of history which demonstrates that there were several “Inquisitions” (at least three were SECULAR) going on and overlapping. But THIS is where the reported atrocities took place.

      2. The Church Inquisition was NOT directed at Jews anyway.
      The Church Inquisition was only an attempt to correct any misconceptions and (largely unintentional) departure from scripture of Catholics (and NOT other faiths). The Church also suspected that so many accusations against people were merely vexatious, and that it would sort it all out and put an end to anything which may sully teachings “based substantially on a pure and authentic Revelation, whose first most important duty must naturally be to retain unsullied this original deposit of faith” … to restore confidence in the Catholic faith.
      At worst, even Catholics were given correct explanations of the faith and told not to repeat the mistakes.

      The SECULAR courts were quite a different story.

      If anyone is silly enough to believe the Monty Python or atheist version of episodes of history, they will believe in anything.
      This has been the REAL problem.

  • K

    This article is incredibly offensive to Jews, Muslims, indigenous peoples of much of the Americas, and all decent people. I am utterly shocked that you dare to condone horrific tortures, ethnic cleansing, genocide, imperialism, and slavery.

    • historian

      K said: “offensive to Jews, Muslims, indigenous peoples of much of the Americas, and all decent people”.

      But how? when neither the Church Inquisition NOR the article is directed at any of them???

      K said: “I am utterly shocked that you dare to condone horrific tortures, ethnic cleansing, genocide, imperialism, and slavery.”

      You must be reading the Dan Brown “extremely-embelished-lies version”
      because “tortures, ethnic cleansing, genocide, imperialism, and slavery” are ANTI-Christian to begin with.
      These atrocities indeed have been employed by the ANTI-Christs in history, Stalin and Mao Tse Tung (both very vocal ATHEISTS) murdered 110 MILLION people; Hitler and the Nazi hierarchy (staunch disciples of ATHEIST Friedrich Nietzche)murdered 6 MILLION Jews and more than 7.5 MILLION Christians; Pol Pot (ATHEIST)murdered more than 2 MILLION people. And as Christ taught that “…but I tell you that you must love even your enemies; that you do unto others as you have them do unto you”; that you love one another as I love you” … you yourself forget that it was massive Christian effort which freed humans from “tortures, ethnic cleansing, genocide, imperialism, and slavery”

      True Christians would not dare risk uncivilised behaviour (unless like Hitler they deliberately DISCARD any vestige Christian philosophy).
      True Christians (as opposed to nominal) know full well that they accountable for every moment of their lives and must live as responsible human beings and live according to the Ten Commandments, as further explained by Christ’s teachings … otherwise they may as well kiss good-bye their entitlement to Heaven.

  • Tony King

    This article by the RCC is an absolute disgrace. As usual, it attempts to place the blame on ‘secular authorities’. This is typical of the Inquisition lies the RCC still tries to present. Arthur Maricle PhD has written a great essay exposing these lies and hypocricies. Victor Hugo has said in his opinion there were 5Million Inquisition victims. Other reputable scholars put the murder victims (over 700 years) even higher. And yet your own website puts the figure at 6000 and the fault with ‘a few bad popes.’ AND of course, according to you, the vast majority of murders were carried out by the secular authorities. That is a terrible lie. You should face the truth and own up to your terrible crimes against humanity. The RCC has NEVER properly and meaningfully publicly apologised for its terrible crimes. Nor has it taken full responsibility for what happened during THE 700-YEAR REIGN OF TERROR. Shame on you all there in the vatican.

    • historian

      You only refer to Monty Pythonesque “writers” and allege 700-YEAR REIGN OF TERROR – which is an atheist invention. The “Shame” is really on you for not bothering to investigate the truth.
      Admittedly with the plethora of atheist lies of the most grotesque type surrounding the public, it is difficult to sift out the truth. So we can partially understand your difficulty. But with just a little effort you can certainly make an educated assessment of the truth. Just try.

    • If the inquisition negates the Catholic Church, so does the Salem witch trials where innocent girls were burned at the stake by Protestants. When the Pope found that there were abuses going on during the inqusition he put a stop to them. Jesus founded His Church with weak men. We are all weak and commit sins. History proves it was the Catholic Church that Christ founded. If He is God He does not make mistakes, though men within the churh do. The wheat and chaff will co-exist within the church until the end of time.

    • Protestants have persecuted and tortured too. Look at how Catholics were persectued in England under King Henry the VIII and his successors. The Salem witch trials too.

    • Anyone who has a problem with the CC, even though all faiths have and will continue to make mistakes, does so in this modern age because she has not compromised on moral issues like other so called Christian faiths have. We say and will continue to say that same-sex-marriage, artificial birth control, and abortion are grave evils. The Holy Spirit who is guiding His Church on such matters, would never condone such practices.

  • vladimir998

    I find the comments by the whiners here offensive.

    M wrote: “But you belittle my faith by trying to downplay the significance and skew the truth of an event that was in many way’s a great injustice towards the Jewish people (and others of course, I’m just speaking on behalf of my own religion).”

    The inquisition was not an injustice toward Jews. The inquisition had almost nothing to do with Jews – except for those who lied and pretended to be Christians. That’s exactly what led to the inquisition in Spain in the first place!

    “We live in a modern age where relationships between Catholics and Jews are quite amicable. You threaten that by publishing such a one-sided article about an event that directly involves multiple parties. I’d ask you to take this down please; it’s borderline propaganda.”

    Get a grip! An online article – which tells the irrefutable truth – will upset Jewish-Catholic relations? That’s complete nonsense.

    K wrote:

    “This article is incredibly offensive to Jews, Muslims, indigenous peoples of much of the Americas, and all decent people.”

    No, it isn’t. I am decent and no many people who are also decent. This article would not upset them in the least.

    “I am utterly shocked that you dare to condone horrific tortures, ethnic cleansing, genocide, imperialism, and slavery.”

    He condoned NONE OF THAT. The inquisition wasn’t about any of that and he condoned none of that. Try not to lie.

    Tony King wrote:

    “This article by the RCC is an absolute disgrace.”

    It’s not by the “RCC”. And it isn’t a disgrace.

    “As usual, it attempts to place the blame on ‘secular authorities’.”

    No, it merely discusses the truth.

    “This is typical of the Inquisition lies the RCC still tries to present. Arthur Maricle PhD has written a great essay exposing these lies and hypocricies.”

    No, he didn’t. Maricle is a Protestant pastor with little or no knowledge or training in history. His anti-Catholic bias is clear. Also, look at his sources. When someone relies on Peter Ruckman and Dave Hunt you know someone has no clue about the truth.

    “Victor Hugo has said in his opinion there were 5Million Inquisition victims.”

    Great, a French novelist who was off by only 4,985,000. All reputable historians – Protestant, Catholic, and Jewish – disagree with him.

    “Other reputable scholars put the murder victims (over 700 years) even higher.”

    Which means they’re idiots because the first executions were in the 13th century and the last (executed for murder, by the way) was in the 18th century – that’s only 5 full centuries – not 700 years.

    “And yet your own website puts the figure at 6000 and the fault with ‘a few bad popes.’”

    Some scholars say 15,000. Others say it is less. No reputable scholar says it is higher.

    “AND of course, according to you, the vast majority of murders were carried out by the secular authorities. That is a terrible lie.”

    First, they weren’t murders. Second, if there were executions, they were carried out by the state. That’s just a fact.

    “You should face the truth and own up to your terrible crimes against humanity.”

    You? Your terrible crimes? Uh, I think you need to calm down and get a grip there, buddy.

    “The RCC has NEVER properly and meaningfully publicly apologised for its terrible crimes.”

    The Catholic Church never committed any crimes. People can commit crimes. The Church can’t.

    “Nor has it taken full responsibility for what happened during THE 700-YEAR REIGN OF TERROR.”

    There was no “REIGN OF TERROR.” Henry Kamen, a Jewish historian of the Spanish Inquisition, made this clear in his 1998 book. Ever read it? I bet not.

    “Shame on you all there in the vatican.”

    They will go on not noticing your vile bigotry or lunacy, thanks.

    By the way, I should add this last point. I have a PhD in Medieval History and have studied the inquisition for 20 plus years. I am amazed at how ignorant people are about it.

    • Viva

      Thank you. I was just beginning to froth a bit at the earlier comments. You beet me to the reubuttle and did a much finer job than I could have. Ths show’s how deeply rooted Sataan’s lies about the Bride of Christ actually are.

      • Amen. The Catholic Church has the fullness of the truth!

    • historian

      Thank you for your detailed reply. I have checked some of the details I was unaware of and thank you for the information which proved correct.

      You are quite correct: “There was NO “Rein of Terror”. Henry Kamen, a Jewish historian of the Spanish Inquisition, made this clear in his 1998 book.” Being a Jew, Kamen’s only commitment was “truthful investigation”. He is one of many Jewish elders who were full of praise for Pope Pius XII and Christians generally:Pope Pius XII was credited with saving more than 860,000 Jews as he hid them in monasteries and convents and praised for his ability for being “able to walk on egg-shells” diplomacy and by having held back from being more critical of Hitler because he feared it would prompt even more savage persecution.
      In just one of two million documents from his 1939-1958 papacy it shows that in April 1942 a rabbi and a doctor who were being held in one of the camps wrote a long letter to thank the Pope for clothing that the Vatican sent to interned children and for his concern for prisoners.

      “While in nearly all the countries of Europe we were persecuted, imprisoned and threatened with death because we belong to the Jewish people and profess the Jewish faith, Your Holiness not only sent notable and generous gifts to our camp through the apostolic nuncio…but also showed your fatherly interest in our physical and spiritual well-being,” they wrote in German.

      “(You) intrepidly raised your universally venerated voice against our enemies – still so powerful at that time – to openly support our rights to human dignity.”

      “When in 1942 we were under the threat of deportation to Poland, Your Holiness extended your fatherly hand to protect us and prevented the deportation of the Jews imprisoned in Italy, thereby saving us from almost certain death.”

      Even in recent history, Christians were praised for their tireless courageous dedication to human rights as described by none other than physicist Albert Einstein himself:
      “On December 23, 1940, Time Magazine published the following comments by Albert Einstein, page 38:
      “Being a lover of freedom, when the revolution came in Germany I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the case of truth; but no, the universities immediately were silenced.
      Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers whose flaming editorials in days gone by had proclaimed their love of freedom. But they, like the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks. Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler’s campaign for suppressing truth.
      I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess, that what I once despised, I now praise unreservedly“. – Albert Einstein
      To See Photo of Time Magazine clipping. go to:
      http://www.defendingthebride.com/sn/Time38BbCombExc2.jpg

      1941 Pope Pius routinely sent a Vatican official, Francesco Borgongini-Duca, to check on the welfare of Jews and other prisoners being held in seven internment camps in southern Italy.

      Now such is the behaviour of (true) Christians: to be a light in the darkness of moral indifference.

      Today, when the quagmire of poisonous anti-Christian propaganda, persecution and moral indifference and is turning into truly toxic quicksand, it is no time for Christians to pause. We must take our duty to the world seriously.

      • Mordechai

        Not one Nazi murderer was excommunicated from the Catholic Church for killing Jews. moreover in Catholic churches throughout Nazi Germany they were liberal prayers for Adolph Hitler and the Nazis. I challenge anybody to point out to me only one Roman Catholic Nazi who was ever excommunicated for murdering Jews.

        • VLADIMIR998

          Mordechai, you wrote:

          “Not one Nazi murderer was excommunicated from the Catholic Church for killing Jews.”

          In modern times people are excommunicated not for sins but for disputing Church teaching or authority. All of the Nazis had been excommunicated in 1932. That excommunication was lifted in 33 or 34 with the signing of the concordat. No one was excommunicated for murdering Catholic priests and nuns either. Ever notice that? There were thousands of Catholic priests in concentration and death camps. No one was excommunicated. There was no point to excommunicating those who did not care about the excommunication.

          You wrote: “moreover in Catholic churches throughout Nazi Germany they were liberal prayers for Adolph Hitler and the Nazis.”

          The leaders of countries are always prayed for by Catholics – even if they are terrible people. It’s actually a formal part of the liturgy in the East. What’s your point?

          “I challenge anybody to point out to me only one Roman Catholic Nazi who was ever excommunicated for murdering Jews.”

          Your challenge makes no sense. I challenge you to point out only one Jew who was ever excommunicated for murdering non-Jews. Can you do it? Was Baruch Goldstein ever excommunicated by Jews for what he did (murdered 29 Palestinian Muslims and wounded 125 others)? Seriously, you don’t actually understand these issues do you?

      • Mordechai

        how can you say that there was no reign of terror? it is an incontrovertible fact that the Jewish community was ordered to convert en masse or get up and leave Spain. And often leaving without their property. don’t you think that is a terrifying situation to be in?

        • VLADIMIR998

          Mordechai, you wrote:

          “how can you say that there was no reign of terror?”

          Simple: There wasn’t one – as shown by the JEWISH historian Henry Kamen.

          “it is an incontrovertible fact that the Jewish community was ordered to convert en masse or get up and leave Spain.”

          That order did not come from the Spanish Inquisition. It came from the Spanish crown (Alhambra Decree).

          “And often leaving without their property. don’t you think that is a terrifying situation to be in?”

          Yes – and that’s exactly why I blame those responsible and it wasn’t the Catholic Church nor the Spanish Inquisition in itself. Those are just the facts.

  • Viva

    beat*

  • http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1301038.htm

    This article talks about how Jesus put His church into the hands of erring humans, not angels.

  • Lee

    So you condone torture? Would an infallible Church torture people? Idiot.

    • VLADIMIR998

      Lee, you wrote:

      “So you condone torture?”

      Lee, is waterboarding torture?

      “Would an infallible Church torture people?”

      No, but people in that infallible Church might. I don’t confuse the one with the other.

      “Idiot.”

      You’re not coming across too well, Lee.

  • TK

    I believe the Inquisition in Spain was about the appropriation of the wealth of the Conversos. The Jews held many high offices in the court of Ferdinand and Isabella. They financed Columbus’ expedition. Who better to examine for heresy?

    Philip IV of France needed money, so he taxed the clergy. That was a no-no, even though the clergy had much of the wealth. Got him in trouble with Boniface VIII.

    Then you have Sixtus IV, implicated in the Pazzi conspiracy to kill Lorenzo and Giuliano de’ Medici, was the apostate who declared that indulgences were effective for people in Purgatory. What a grand marketing scheme! Want to get Grandma out of her suffering in Purgatory? Give the church money! Genius!

    If the church or the pope has the power to alleviate the suffering of those in Purgatory, why is it done for money?

    Then there’s Henry VIII, who founded his own church to get his way on divorce, and also appropriate the church’s property.

    Also, I think you can see what the Founding Fathers did in the Bill of Rights to prevent a repetition of the things done by the Church, and even the pseudo-Catholic church of England, by the Amendments:
    1st – no establishment of religion by state, freedom to peaceably assemble, free speech
    3rd – no quartering of soldiers, like the church did in France and the Netherlands, to force the people to be Catholics
    4th – unreasonable search and seizure
    5th – self-incrimination
    6th – speedy trial (not throwing people into dungeons for a few years), trial by jury of peers (not church judges), right to witnesses, right to confront accusers
    They were wise men, and learned from the history of Europe

    • VLADIMIR998

      TK, you wrote: “I believe the Inquisition in Spain was about the appropriation of the wealth of the Conversos.”

      That’s clearly false. If it were true, then the rate of property confiscation would have been dramatically higher. Also, as outlined by Henry Kamen, there was an inquisitor who was caught making up evidence against accused men so that he could confiscate their property. He was tried and executed. If the inquisition was about confiscation of property, then he would have been rewarded, not convicted and executed.

      “They financed Columbus’ expedition.”

      At the orders of the crown two royal officials, who were conversos, financed Columbus’ expedition.

      “Who better to examine for heresy?”

      How about heretics? If they were heretics, they had something to worry about. Otherwise, they didn’t.

      “Philip IV of France needed money, so he taxed the clergy. That was a no-no, even though the clergy had much of the wealth. Got him in trouble with Boniface VIII.”

      Because it was a violation of law – as recognized in all Christian countries.

      “Then you have Sixtus IV, implicated in the Pazzi conspiracy to kill Lorenzo and Giuliano de’ Medici, was the apostate who declared that indulgences were effective for people in Purgatory.”

      That doesn’t mean Sixtus was an apostate.

      “What a grand marketing scheme! Want to get Grandma out of her suffering in Purgatory? Give the church money! Genius!”

      No one had to pay anything to “get Grandma out of…Purgatory”.

      “If the church or the pope has the power to alleviate the suffering of those in Purgatory, why is it done for money?”

      It isn’t. And it wasn’t. It can happen with or without the donation or any indulgence.

      “Then there’s Henry VIII, who founded his own church to get his way on divorce, and also appropriate the church’s property.”

      And?

      “Also, I think you can see what the Founding Fathers did in the Bill of Rights to prevent a repetition of the things done by the Church, and even the pseudo-Catholic church of England, by the Amendments:
      1st – no establishment of religion by state, freedom to peaceably assemble, free speech”

      Nope. The Founding Fathers did not institute the Bill of Rights to “prevent a repetition of the things done by the Church, and even the pseudo-Catholic church of England” but to ensure free religious practice – even for the Church. It was to prevent government from dictating religious belief not to keep religions from dictating religious beliefs to their adherents.

      The Bill of Rights is about curbing GOVERNMENT POWER and ensuring individual freedoms FROM government encroachment.

  • Anarcho-Papist

    You want an Inquisition? Try questioning the dogmas of Holocaustianity. Less than six million? No gas chambers in the Nazi death camps? Jewish Bolsheviks did far worse to Christians in the Ukraine? Now you’re talking thought crime, evildoer! Europe’s secular authorities–enlightened successors of benighted Christendom, don’t you know?!–will toss you in the hoosegow in no time!